Posts by Brother Apostate

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

hs,

The evidence is what will settle the issue
The issue can't be settled with the current evidence available- At aminimum, more and better data is required to successfully argue that human sources are responsible for anything other than a small minority of the causes of Global Warming.
I disagree entirely. Even the most anti-global warming candidate accepts that humankind has had some effect on global warming, as you seem to yourself. Their argument is that the effect is too small to matter on a geologic timescale. Science can and has been able to measure the effects of global warming over the past 200 years including its constituents.
Please note that at this stage I have not stated my own views on the matter. I am merely pointing out the following :
1) Humans have had an effect on climate change.
2) Science has borne this out.
3) The degree of human involvement is at issue.

Then we're in agreement, not disagreement, on that one. Measuring the effects is not at issue, measuring how much is due to manmade sources is, so far. At least for those who want to push the agenda that manmade sources are a major source, which, according to all currently available data, it's not.

and that is what Abbadon has called for
I respectfully disagree. As I have pointed out, based on his post history, Abaddon simply wants to bash others who don't conclude the same as he does- plain and simple truth, it's his M.O. It's a waste of precious time to "debate" with a child.BA- doesn't "debate" with children
When you enter a situation of debate and have a bloody nose from a previous encounter with a person involved in the debate, leave your personal feelings out of it as it is a waste of the readers attention. If you do not people may conclude, not that you do not debate with children, but that you debate like a child. Cheers - HS PS - sorry - could not switch off the underlining.

For the record, I do not have a bloody nose from a previous encounter with Abaddon. As I have stated and will state again, Abaddon's "style" of "debate" is childish. I have pointed out how already, so I will not repeat myself here. BA- Cheers to you as well PS - sorry - nor could I switch off the yellow highliting!

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

global warming. It is emphatically NOT undecided

True, Global Warming exists. It is the sources of the warrnth, and how much each contributes, that is the subject of discussion.

There is no proof that manmade sources make up any more than a small minority, as a percentage, of what is causing Global Warming.

Yet the alarmist element continues braying "the sky is falling!"

BA- Doesn't buy the hype.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Frank, What we should all be asking is, if we cannot even depend on the weather channels 5 day forecast, why would we listen to a forecast that spans the next century? Excelllent point made very succinctly! BA- Appreciates terseness.

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Ever been sick for years then got better?

by avishai in

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i've had seizures for the last three or for years and they're finally starting to get under control.

the deal is, now what do i do?

i'm not 100%, mind you, but quite a bit better....so...damn, it's just kinda weird..

Brother Apostate

Yeah, I was sick (like all JWs) when I was a JW- now I'm all better!

BA- Get well soon!

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The "Stupid Jokes" Thread

by Warlock in

here is my stupid joke: why did cinnimon roll?

because he saw apple turnover.. thank you, jim of tx for giving me the idea.. warlock .

Brother Apostate

Three little Boys were concerned

because they couldn't get anyone to play with them.

They decided it was because they had not been Baptized and didn't go to Sunday School.

So they went to the nearest Church.

But, only the Janitor was there.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

One little Boy said,

"We need to be baptized

because no one will come out and play with Us.

Will You baptize Us?"

"Sure," said the Janitor.

He took them into the bathroom

and dunked their little heads in the toilet bowl, one at a time.

Then He said, "You are now Baptized!".

" When they got outside,

one of them asked,

"What religion do You think We are? "

The oldest one said,

"We're not Kathlick, ...because they pour the water on You."

"We're not Babtis, .because they dunk all of You in the water."

"We're not Methdiss, .because they just sprinkle water on You."

The littlest one said,

"Didn't you smell that water!"

They all joined in asking,

"Yeah! What do You think that means?"

"I think it means we're Pisscopailians.

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An Inconvenient Pool - Algore

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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this is from the wall street journal (page a12), thursday, march 1, 2007: (sorry i don't know how to scan).

"there is an irresistible quality to the story about al gore's energy hungry tennessee home, replete with a heated poolhouse that burns more natural gas--$500/month worth--than most of us can afford to use while heating houses that shelter people, as opposed to swimming lanes.

did you know that mr. gore's house uses more electricity in a month than the average household does in a year?.

Brother Apostate

Poor Gore.

I can relate.

I feel so guilty for driving to the beer distributor that I'm going to go drive my empty beer cans to the recycler now, to atone for releasing carbon.

BA- Recycles and lives a green lifestyle.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Your ad hominem attacks are wearing thin

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

The evidence is what will settle the issue

The issue can't be settled with the current evidence available- At aminimum, more and better data is required to successfully argue that human sources are responsible for anything other than a small minority of the causes of Global Warming.

and that is what Abbadon has called for

I respectfully disagree. As I have pointed out, based on his post history, Abaddon simply wants to bash others who don't conclude the same as he does- plain and simple truth, it's his M.O. It's a waste of precious time to "debate" with a child.

BA- doesn't "debate" with children

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Does anyone who has been posting on this thread have a scientific background ?? Perhaps a better question is "If someone claimed they did, could they PROVE it?" How? By posting their sheepskin? Firstly, that would take away any anonymity, secondly, a know-it-all would claim that they photoshopped it. "Opinions are like arseholes, everbody has one" - anonymous BA- Realizes everything is an opinion, plain and simple, regardless of claimed credentials

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Decoding Abbaddon-speak, lesson two:

1. Your continued evasion of issues, the lies and distortions of your perpetual ad homs = Translation: I refuse to look in the mirror

2. You might even be so contemptuous of others you think it'll fool them = Translation: I like to post sentences that don’t make any logical sense

3. However your intent and your lack of substance are really quite noticeable = Translation: My "substance" is better than yours, also, see Translation 1, above

4. the first post of yours I noticed was fallacious, why should this one be any different? = Translation:

As of today, 5476 posts by me so far, I’ve never admitted being wrong, am not now, and never will be

5. E. coli

has its place in nature and so apparently do you. It's about your level from what I see here. = Translation: See Abbadon-speak example 1 (ad hom) and Translation 1, above

6. You also seem to be under some mistaken impression that your opinion (which you have demonstrated the 'worth' of) about <insert any word here> is of any interest. = Translation: My opinions are the only ones that are of any interest, why, just look at all my posts, I’m always right, everyone else who doesn’t agree with my conclusion is wrong.

7. Or that I am in any way intimidated by you posting your repetitive(sic) evasions and fabrications about me. How can I be intimidated by something with all the substance of the hole in the middle of a doughnut? = Translation: see Translation 1, above

8. So too craven to talk about the science? = Translation: I am a hypocritical child who likes to post ad hom attacks to bait others into posting their conclusions based on sound science so that I can venomously spew my opinions which are always, always, always correct.

9. That's all I need to know; Unless responding to further posts would be amusing (for me), or you actually have the balls to discuss the issues instead of attacking me, you can carry on your Onanistic relationship with your keyboard all you like. = Translation: I am a child who knows everything, why won’t you play by my rules? Mommy, they won’t play by my rules, waaaaaaa!!! Also, see Translation 1, above.

BA- doesn’t "debate" with children, and knows a child when he sees one.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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friends

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

Brother Apostate

Decoding Abbaddon-speak, lesson one:

1. my point regarding <insert name> is NOT an <insert logical fallacy> = Translation: I am the queen of denial

2. Be careful with your sloppy accusations = Translation: I’m too narcissistic to realize my own accusations are sloppy

3. I am virually(sic) pleading for people to discuss the science = Translation: I will disagree with all science that doesn’t suit my preconceived conclusion

4. My main interest is arguably discussing the science, so far the change-deniers et. al. seem to avoid it like the plague(sic). = Translation: Boo hoo, why won’t somebody argue with my preconceived conclusions (and citations that I just know are right because they agree with my preconceived conclusions) so I can continue my mindless ranting?

5. by their statements shows they don't begin to understand the scientific argument. = Translation: I refuse to look in the mirror

6. Why don't you ALSO apply it to the fact all lobby groups against global warming being a fact are supported by vested interests who would lose money if we tried to limit further environmental damage? =Translation: I have never considered the fact that the reverse is also true (Editors note: substitute against = for, and lose = make)

7. It really is so like the tobacco industries support of 'scientists' and lobby groups who were aplogists(sic) for the damage smoking causes (which they supported as they stood to lose money if they didn't make a counter argument), but people seem unwilling to discuss the similarities = Translation: I can’t see that this is a straw man, as well as an association fallacy, in that there is proof that smoking causes cancer, but no conclusive proof that human activity is responsible for other than a minute portion of the warming trend.

8. majority of scientists(sic) are concerned = Translation: I like to misuse words like "majority", that is, the majority of those that agree with my preconceived notions.

9. If my statement that there is no forcing from the sun to account for current climatic trends is incorrect(sic), please show me. (See Translation 3, above).

10. If it is correct, please give me (with evidence) what forcing IS causing recent trends? = Translation: I want you to post what you believe, with your citations that back up your belief, so I can then bash your sources, citations, and beliefs. In short, I just want to argue with you.

11. If it is correct, please give me (with evidence) what forcing IS causing recent trends? = Translation: I want to call you names and disagree with conclusions that don’t agree with my conclusion

12. regurgitated propaganda = Translation: doesn’t agree with my pet propaganda

13. as this is as over-used by that lobby as the little puffs of debris coming out the WTC windows a few stories below the collapse is over-used by the 911 conspiracists. = Translation: I enjoy arguing from fallacy, e.g,

"All dogs are animals. Blacky is an animal. This means Blacky is a dog."

14.

science gets stuff wrong = Translation: I don’t apply this statement to the science and citations that agree with my conclusion, just science and citations that don’t agree with my conclusion.

15. Really difficult to find reasned(sic) discussion = Translation: Really difficult to find people to argue with and hurl insults at because they don’t agree with my conclusion, also, see Translation 4 above

16. thus sometime my exasperation as I know how easy it is to find stuff out if you're bothered enough, or check out the veracity of claims = Translation: I won’t take my blinders off and realize that others who disagree with my conclusion have come to their conclusions by doing thusly.

17. To those not arsed enough to read it, the key points are = Translation: these "key" points are the ones that agree with my conclusion

18. a call for more research , not a prediction = Translation: I’ll continue to spew my insults at all who don’t agree with my predictive conclusions, regardless

19. other than regurgitation of classic anti-change lobby arguments which are easily dismissed = Translation: I will continue to dismiss all science and citations that don’t agree with my conclusion

20. no anti-change supporter has really engaged in the science of the argument. = Translation: See Translation 4, above

22. It seems a certain side in this discussion wants to swagger around declaiming their rightness and the foolishnehss(sic) of the other side of the argument, but aren't prepared to back it up in a proper scientific discussion. = Translation: See Translation 5, above

23. More regurgitated(sic) nonsense thatasimple check online would reveal as nonsense will be treated appropriately. = Translation: See Translation 4 and 16, above

BA- this concludes our lesson, class dismissed.